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Direct Contracting in Healthcare  with Mark Cuban, Dr. Ruchika Talwar on the BackTable MSK Podcast
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Episode # 3  •  17 Jan 2025

Direct Contracting in Healthcare

A $20,000 joint replacement, all in, anesthesia included, with no surprise bills: in Mark Cuban's example, that is the carve-out an independent surgery center can pitch directly to the self-insured employers among its patients. On this episode of the BackTable Podcast, Dr. Ruchika Talwar, value-based care leader, talks with Mark Cuban, entrepreneur and founder of Mark Cuban Cost Plus Drug Company, about who actually sets the price of care in the United States. They trace how a cold email about drug shortages led to Cost Plus Drugs and then Cost Plus Wellness, an open source library of direct contracts between self-insured employers and providers; why surgery centers that “do nothing but joint replacements” can win employer contracts with no middleman; why he believes the contract, not the published price, is where the real problems hide; and why he tells orthopedic practices, “You have to do outbound sales.”

Timestamps

00:00 - Introduction
01:53 - From Drug Shortages to Cost Plus Drugs
06:08 - Cost Plus Wellness and Direct Contracts
11:04 - Publishing Provider Contracts
16:39 - Using AI to Review Contracts and RFPs
20:16 - Direct Contracting Advice for Hospitals and Physicians
26:33 - Value-Based Care, Brokers, and Self-Insured Hospitals
32:09 - Direct Contracting for Independent Practices
34:20 - AI as a Business Adviser for Physicians
38:39 - National Policy and Who Pays for Healthcare
46:59 - Misaligned Incentives and Corporate Culture
51:00 - Key Takeaways
54:04 - Closing Remarks

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More about this episode

The conversation then turns practical for physicians. Mark Cuban lays out how hospitals, clinics, and independent practices can find the self-insured employers among their own patients and offer direct contracts or carve-outs, why a promise to trust the doctor can earn employers a better rate, and how he runs contracts that stretch past a thousand pages through several AI models in turn. He and Dr. Talwar also cover what employers can learn from Form 5500 filings, the national changes he would make, from ending gag clauses to standardized public contracts, and why both see misaligned incentives as the root of the problem.

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