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BackTable / VI / Podcast / Episode #519

Transplantation for HCC: Who, When & How?

with Dr. Heather Patton, Dr. John Seal, Dr. Steven Young, Dr. Zach Berman

The process of liver transplantation involves many complexities, and each patient's path to transplant is unique. To offer insider perspectives on this process, Dr. Zachary Berman sits down with transplant and hepatobiliary surgeon Dr. John Seal, as well as transplant hepatologists Dr. Heather Patton and Dr. Steve Young.

This podcast is supported by an educational grant from AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals and Boston Scientific.

Transplantation for HCC: Who, When & How? with Dr. Heather Patton, Dr. John Seal, Dr. Steven Young, Dr. Zach Berman on the BackTable VI Podcast
Ep 519 Transplantation for HCC: Who, When & How? with Dr. Heather Patton, Dr. John Seal, Dr. Steven Young, Dr. Zach Berman
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BackTable, LLC (Producer). (2025, February 21). Ep. 519 – Transplantation for HCC: Who, When & How? [Audio podcast]. Retrieved from https://www.backtable.com

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Podcast Contributors

Dr. Zach Berman on the BackTable VI Podcast

Dr. Zachary Berman is an interventional radiologist at the University of California San Diego in San Diego, California.

Dr. Heather Patton on the BackTable Tumor Board Podcast

Dr. Heather Patton is a transplant hepatologist and professor of medicine with UC San Diego in California.

Dr. John Seal on the BackTable Tumor Board Podcast

Dr. John Seal is a transplant and hepatobiliary surgeon with Ochsner Health in New Orlean, Louisiana.

Dr. Steven Young on the BackTable Tumor Board Podcast

Dr. Steven Young is a transplant hepatologist with Ochsner Health in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Synopsis

The panel begins by discussing the multidisciplinary pre-transplant evaluation process, which assesses factors such as liver function, comorbidities, surgical risk, and the availability of psychosocial support. Once a patient is listed for transplant, they enter a system that prioritizes those with the highest Model for End-Stage Liver Disease (MELD) score. During the waiting period, several comorbidities should be carefully monitored. Dr. Seal explores the impact of portal vein hypertension and portal vein thrombosis, explaining how these conditions may necessitate intraoperative thrombectomy or bypass. Dr. Patton and Dr. Young focus on considerations for using anticoagulation in patients with a high baseline bleeding risk and selecting the appropriate anticoagulant for patients listed for transplant.

For patients with hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC), eligibility for MELD exception points may depend on factors such as time spent on the waiting list, adherence to the Milan criteria, and the presence of extrahepatic complications of liver disease. The panel also discusses bridging therapies to transplant, including Y90 and TACE. In the peri-transplant phase, they highlight innovations such as living donor transplants, liver perfusion pumps, and the use of hepatitis C- and HIV-positive organs. Finally, the discussion turns to post-transplant considerations, including surgical complications, organ rejection, immunosuppression, predictors of HCC recurrence, and long-term surveillance.

Timestamps

00:00 - Introduction
01:16 - Current Landscape of Liver Transplantation
03:22 - Transplant Evaluation Process
09:48 - Timeline from Listing to Transplantion
11:16 - Treating Portal Vein Thrombosis and Hypertension
18:44 - MELD Exception Points
22:05 - Bridging Therapies
25:34 - Peri-Transplant Considerations
30:53 - Post-Transplant Period
37:39 - Repeat Transplantation

Resources

Model for end-stage liver disease (MELD) and allocation of donor livers (Wiesner et al, 2003):
https://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085%2803%2950022-1/fulltext

Liver transplantation for the treatment of small hepatocellular carcinomas in patients with cirrhosis- Milan Criteria (Mazzaferro et al, 1996):
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8594428/

Validation of the prognostic power of the RETREAT score for hepatocellular carcinoma recurrence using the UNOS database (Mehta et al, 2019):
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6445634/

CME Accreditation Information:
https://f7cae4ec-b69e-490d-9e0f-19b16a6f146d.usrfiles.com/ugd/f7cae4_a7c37ea3cd1b4d3fa53d5edf8dfe255b.pdf

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