BackTable / VI / Podcast / Episode #287
OBL / ASC Reimbursement Update Jan 2023
with Dr. Jim Melton and Dr. Blake Parson
In this episode, host Dr. Aaron Fritts interviews Dr. Jim Melton, vascular surgeon, and Dr. Blake Parsons, interventional radiologist, about progress in the OBL and ASC space, including reimbursement updates, partnering with a private equity firm, and value based care.
BackTable, LLC (Producer). (2023, January 30). Ep. 287 – OBL / ASC Reimbursement Update Jan 2023 [Audio podcast]. Retrieved from https://www.backtable.com
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Dr. Jim Melton
Dr. Jim Melton is a practicing Vascular Surgery Specialist in Oklahoma City.
Dr. Blake Parsons
Dr. Blake Parsons is a practicing Interventional Radiologist in Oklahoma City.
Dr. Aaron Fritts
Dr. Aaron Fritts is a Co-Founder of BackTable and a practicing interventional radiologist in Dallas, Texas.
We begin by discussing new developments in Dr. Melton’s and Dr. Parson’s practice. Over the past year, they have partnered with a private equity firm, Assured Healthcare Partners to create Heart and Vascular Partners (HVP). They now cover Oklahoma City, Colorado Springs, Denver, Pueblo, and parts of Illinois and Indiana. They employ mostly hospital based physicians’ ready to start their own office based lab (OBL) or ambulatory surgery center (ASC). The physicians under HVP are cardiologists, vascular surgeons, and interventional radiologists.
The two discuss the advantages of aligning with a private equity firm. For them, it provided the scale and capability to provide value-based care when it becomes widely adopted. Additionally, the payer has a much lower cost for the service in the outpatient space versus the hospital. All the physicians in HVP maintain local control over their practices, which was one of their main goals when they decided to partner with a firm.
Next, we cover reimbursement cuts and the trends in OBLs and ASCs. On the arterial side of business, they are seeing that OBLs are down 10-15% in reimbursement rates, whereas ASCs are up 3-30%. For iliac interventions in the ASC, they have seen a 30-50% increase in balloon angioplasty and stenting, and up to a 60% increase for Shockwave. On the embolization side, arterial and venous reimbursement has dropped in the OBL by 7-8% and increased in the ASC by 3-30%. Alternatively, the CPT code for embolization for end organ ischemia (UFE, PAE) is still well reimbursed in the OBL. They caution listeners on genicular artery embolization and cryoneurolysis due to the risk of not getting it reimbursed and having to pay money back.
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